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Post by shakezilluh on Feb 17, 2008 3:27:49 GMT 12
eh the main thing that you forget is by the time that they are our age you have decided whether or not in yourself it is right or not, Hell, Alaska, look at you kyle, (this isn't meant to be offensive btw) you went to a catholic school for like, ever, and became aethiest so just because prayer is forced doesn't mean it will affect a person, and also look at all the people who go against stuff just because schools do it
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Post by axelburn on Feb 17, 2008 6:26:00 GMT 12
yeah
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Post by Adenine on Feb 18, 2008 3:55:23 GMT 12
but thats the point. there shouldnt be any prayer on anyone in schools unless the elect to do it on their own. by making everyone do it, you make those who dont believe the same thing uncomfortroable. also, it can open them up to ridicule by those who believe
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Post by axelburn on Feb 18, 2008 4:28:43 GMT 12
but they do not have to practicapte if they dont want to
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Post by shakezilluh on Feb 18, 2008 4:32:58 GMT 12
honestly I think it is fine as is and if there was prayer in the morning I'd be ok with it as long as they didn't force participation
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Post by Adenine on Feb 18, 2008 8:05:33 GMT 12
but they do not have to practicapte if they dont want to thats the same principle. if you want to, you can. at this point, were just arguing which point will be enacted. both our points are essentially the same. either it should be there or shouldnt and then it shouldnt be mandatory. but theres no saying no prayer in school. once again, you can pray if you want to. go to the parayer circle every morning at the HS. there is prayer in school, and students have the option of participating in said prayer. but making it a led thing over the anouncements or by a teacher is breaking the establichment clause, and is also against the supreme courts 1960s (do i have that date right? correct me if not) decision on that subject
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Post by Australie on Feb 18, 2008 8:42:21 GMT 12
the most important decision was made in 1962 and '63, but followed up by '71 and '73.
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Post by khkid on Feb 18, 2008 15:39:48 GMT 12
And that's why we live in AMERIKA
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Post by Adenine on Feb 19, 2008 1:31:09 GMT 12
where if you want to pray, you can
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Post by khkid on Feb 19, 2008 3:22:11 GMT 12
Ya that's totally cool with me like you have already said as long as it's not forced
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Post by Adenine on Feb 19, 2008 3:38:41 GMT 12
but its not led by a teacher or administrator, which would be establishment. if you want to go to a school that has prayer every morning, go to a private religious school. (but they suck. trust me. 5 years of Hell, Alaska)
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Post by shakezilluh on Feb 19, 2008 3:39:46 GMT 12
well so can a teacher not participate at all?
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Post by Adenine on Feb 19, 2008 3:48:54 GMT 12
no, a teacher can participate. a teacher is just not allowed to lead it. again, this is in a school-wide detail. if its just a teacher and a group of students who are there because of that reason, its ok. again, it winds down to wether it is a school-wide prayer
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Post by shakezilluh on Feb 19, 2008 3:50:42 GMT 12
well I mean theoretically then a teacher even putting in a prayer request is leadign something in some way (lol just knowing how little americans can sue for it would happen XD)
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Post by Adenine on Feb 19, 2008 3:54:16 GMT 12
yea, but once again i go to the arfument that its a group say, like the bible study group on wednesday mornings. the teacher leads it, but it is not schoolwide or during the school day. i am fine with that. just as long as its not during the school day and school wide
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